Re: The Official Thread of MISS UNIVERSE 2009: Stefanía Fernández (Venezuela)

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The reigning Miss Universe 2009 Stefania Fernandez will crown the new Puteri Indonesia 2009 (Miss Indonesia Universe 2010)

[Cyly]

Stefania Fernandez and Miss Indonesia 2008 Zivanna Letisha Siregar

[Milka]

Beautiful Stefania

[Tidus]

Beautiful Stefania

beautiful make up

[Milka]

Beautiful Stefania

beautiful make up

In that case, you have to say that about every Miss Universe. Every single on of them looks different and not so hot
without makeup. I've seen some terrible pictures of Daynana, Zuleyka ect. No need to antifans of Stefania to have a fielday over those pictures.

I don't know if this picture of Dayana really shouts out "Beautiful Miss Universe" either

[Tidus]

Beautiful Stefania

beautiful make up

In that case, you have to say that about every Miss Universe. Every single on of them looks different and not so hot
without makeup. I've seen some terrible pictures of Daynana, Zuleyka ect. No need to antifans of Stefania to have a fielday over those pictures.

I don't know if this picture of Dayana really shouts out "Beautiful Miss Universe" either

Milka stop defending her like she is the Aphrodite of Mylos or like every MU is supposed to be one in our times.....beauty is in the eye of the beholder,but in those last shots the beholder must have gone blind to say she is stunning and-if not- to blame only the luck of make up She is average,in a continuous era of average winners as far as im concerned.(that said i still believe she was the best on MU final )

[Milka]

Milka stop defending her like she is the Aphrodite of Mylos or like every MU is supposed to be one in our times.....

Someone has to defend her. I gladly volunteer. I don't get how come you guys can freek out ovet those no-makeup-photos of her and say whatever you want, but I'm not allowed to say she looked beautiful in those new ones? Why can't I say she looks beautiful if she does in my opinion. I got pissed cause you said after that "beautiful makeup" as if to say she is not beautiful, only the makeup is beautiful. Just the makeup, not Stefania. Correct me, if I'm wrong, but that's how I understood your message

Now, when there has been few pics of her without ANY makeup, everyone (not talking about only people on this forum) is almost overjoyed, like "YES, I told you so, she's not beautiful". Not Dayana, not Zuleyka, not Riyo, not Natalia, not Jennifer, not Amelia would look like a goddes either making those faces

but in those last shots the beholder must have gone blind to say she is stunning and-if not- to blame only the luck of make up

I, personally, was saying "beautiful Stefanie" to those pics right above my message. Not to the ones where she had just arrived.
YES, those pics are BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD, and even in my first message I stated that I don't get WHY she step out of the plane to be photogarephed looking like that.

Yes, we all have our own opinions. DUH
To you she's average, but you can't demand me to think so
To me she's way above average, but I can't demand you to think so
To some she's ugly, but they can't demand all of us to think so

So, as for the defending her. I'll defend her as long as her reign continues, if I feel like it.
I had to live through this era of Dayanamania, where everything she did was considered WONDERFUL and the best :=bter=:
It was hard, but I survived Now it's Stefania's turn

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Stefania Fernandez in Puteri Indonesia

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Stefania's arrival in Indonesia

[Anja]

Don't you think that this crown:
is better than this one?

[Milka]

Don't you think that this crown:
is better than this one?

I personally don't. It too boring. The real one, even if it's a bit like an applebowl, looks like a crown with the whole shining and all.
But that "copy-one" looks like a wide belt

[Tidus]

Milka stop defending her like she is the Aphrodite of Mylos or like every MU is supposed to be one in our times.....

Someone has to defend her. I gladly volunteer. I don't get how come you guys can freek out ovet those no-makeup-photos of her and say whatever you want, but I'm not allowed to say she looked beautiful in those new ones? Why can't I say she looks beautiful if she does in my opinion. I got pissed cause you said after that "beautiful makeup" as if to say she is not beautiful, only the makeup is beautiful. Just the makeup, not Stefania. Correct me, if I'm wrong, but that's how I understood your message

Now, when there has been few pics of her without ANY makeup, everyone (not talking about only people on this forum) is almost overjoyed, like "YES, I told you so, she's not beautiful". Not Dayana, not Zuleyka, not Riyo, not Natalia, not Jennifer, not Amelia would look like a goddes either making those faces

but in those last shots the beholder must have gone blind to say she is stunning and-if not- to blame only the luck of make up

I, personally, was saying "beautiful Stefanie" to those pics right above my message. Not to the ones where she had just arrived.
YES, those pics are BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD, and even in my first message I stated that I don't get WHY she step out of the plane to be photogarephed looking like that.

Yes, we all have our own opinions. DUH
To you she's average, but you can't demand me to think so
To me she's way above average, but I can't demand you to think so
To some she's ugly, but they can't demand all of us to think so

So, as for the defending her. I'll defend her as long as her reign continues, if I feel like it.
I had to live through this era of Dayanamania, where everything she did was considered WONDERFUL and the best :=bter=:
It was hard, but I survived Now it's Stefania's turn

Yes she is avarage and even with make up she looks ordinary.....and yes "beautiful" make up cause we saw the results of not wearing some.After that, who doesnt adore the use of make up?But come on who is demanding you to think she is ordinary. its obvious you are in a mission to defend every single mistake she makes and i wont spoil it for you. but still for the majority as i understand it "we have an average forgettable MU winner". Opinions are opinions and as u demand the right to say she is beautiful i have the right to adore her make up.

[Milka]

and yes "beautiful" make up cause we saw the results of not wearing some.

Well, that's what I don't get. Why don't we say that about all beauties then.
It does not make sense to me that people would say that because I seriously doubt that the "goddeses" that many say about some past MU's would look hot either, when they have NO makeup. Not even base. It's not like Stefania forgot to put makeup to the lips or eyes, she doesn't even have foundation on

its obvious you are in a mission to defend every single mistake she makes

Oh for heavens sake
That's not even true, I clearly did not defend her mistake of coming out of the plane. I said I DON'T understand why she came out looking like that.

I am defending the claim, when people say that her face can only look good (or average to you) with only makeup. Cause I truly TRULY would like to see every past MU without even foundation on. And then we would see who looks hot and who doesn't. They ALL wear makeup. Every single one of them, and I just bet you that every single one of them would look not-so-nice when they're face would be shining and be red.

So Tidus, what I'm writing here has nothing to do with the fact that you find her just avarage. You can think that.
My point here is about the damn makeup Why was makeup invented? To make women look more beautiful

[Tidus]

and yes "beautiful" make up cause we saw the results of not wearing some.

Well, that's what I don't get. Why don't we say that about all beauties then.
It does not make sense to me that people would say that because I seriously doubt that the "goddeses" that many say about some past MU's would look hot either, when they have NO makeup. Not even base. It's not like Stefania forgot to put makeup to the lips or eyes, she doesn't even have foundation on

its obvious you are in a mission to defend every single mistake she makes

Oh for heavens sake
That's not even true, I clearly did not defend her mistake of coming out of the plane. I said I DON'T understand why she came out looking like that.

I am defending the claim, when people say that her face can only look good (or average to you) with only makeup. Cause I truly TRULY would like to see every past MU without even foundation on. And then we would see who looks hot and who doesn't. They ALL wear makeup. Every single one of them, and I just bet you that every single one of them would look not-so-nice when they're face would be shining and be red.

So Tidus, what I'm writing here has nothing to do with the fact that you find her just avarage. You can think that.
My point here is about the damn makeup Why was makeup invented? To make women look more beautiful

1. I dont know if you are a user of other forums as well but in here noone is or will be treated like a Godess cause we do not believe in the term and if ever used its not expressed seriously. So i can only take this as a confusion from your part. Why dont we say that for other beauties? have u payed attention to some threads? not everybody likes Dayana,Amelia,Jennifer etc and as far as im concerned i told u i find the majority of recent winners average. Coming back to Stefania i dont understand why the luck of foundation and make up should prevail me or others from say what comes natural to mind. Should i use it like an advantage for everybody..."oh look how bad she looks but she had the courage not to wear anything on" ? it wont happen.......

2. Someone has to defend her. I gladly volunteer. well that sounds like a volunteer mission to me... Just realize this will end up in quoting and quoting and quoting on the basis of peoples personal likes and dislikes and opinions. And on personal opinions...there is no right nor wrong.As noone can convince u,same goes the other way around. Most importantly in here there is no bashing intended on the 90% of the users. So its like an energy waste if u ask me. And to continue on your thoughts....why should i go to a comparison every time im not satisfied with someone looks? does this means that every time i see Stafania looking mediocre i have to say and think...."oh look at her.....but ....if Riyo was like that with no make up.....on a scale to 10 she will be a 2 and stefania a 5?" I prefer to express the present as it is with no need to compare.There is no point to that,cause im sure the majority realises that no make up on means natural with its goods and its bests. And if they dont....who really cares...we are not the stylish Bible.

3.make up makes up every one beautiful.....so she should wear it.

4. Since u are a huge fan of stephs i expect from u to update this thread regularly with pleasure

[Milka]

[quote="TIDUS"]1. I dont know if you are a user of other forums as well but in here noone is or will be treated like a Godess cause we do not believe in the term and if ever used its not expressed seriously. So i can only take this as a confusion from your part. Why dont we say that for other beauties? have u payed attention to some threads? not everybody likes Dayana,Amelia,Jennifer etc and as far as im concerned i told u i find the majority of recent winners average.

1. This is the only foreign forum I write, but I'm reading different voyforums ect. (missosology's forum I havent evean read for a year now).
But it's like having two dailymagazines, I can't just forget what is said about the same issue on the other magazine. Same goes here. I can't just forget

Coming back to Stefania i dont understand why the luck of foundation and make up should prevail me or others from say what comes natural to mind. Should i use it like an advantage for everybody..."oh look how bad she looks but she had the courage not to wear anything on" ? it wont happen.......

2. And further more, I LIKE discussions. And that's what I thought we were having here. I don't believe in just saying "I like her" or "I don't like her". I enjoy people explaining why they like someone or not. Whether I agree with them or not, it is interesting to read what people think. I like to get to the bottom of things. I don't know if we are having a language barrier of some sort here, cause neither one of us has english as our first language. It seems to me that if I write something here, you don't get what I'm after, cause you seem to answer back in a different way. So maybe my it's my fault and I don't know how to say what I mean in english. Because I NEVER EVER said you can't say what comes natural to your mind or anyone else for that matter

I still feel that this was interesting discussion about beautydelegates without makeup..... :=bter=:

2. Someone has to defend her. I gladly volunteer. well that sounds like a volunteer mission to me... Just realize this will end up in quoting and quoting and quoting on the basis of peoples personal likes and dislikes and opinions.

Yes and that what was interesting about it. A discussion about opinions. And I will defend Stefania if I feel like it, but that DOES NOT mean that I thought she didn't make a mistake on coming out of the plane looking like that. Cause she did. In today's world with internet, I don't get how she thought she could get away with this and maybe think those pictures would not end up on the internet

Most importantly in here there is no bashing intended on the 90% of the users.

And here comes another wonder on my part. Do we have a language barrier or DID YOU REALLY think that? If so, then I'm terribly sorry. If you felt I was bashing another member on this forum, then I'm shocked cause I never ever did that in this discussion. To me, this discussion was interesting and I enjoyed to get to the bottom of this. I did not to this to bash anyone

why should i go to a comparison every time im not satisfied with someone looks? does this means that every time i see Stafania looking mediocre i have to say and think...."oh look at her.....but ....if Riyo was like that with no make up.....on a scale to 10 she will be a 2 and stefania a 5?"

Again, this is definetly not how I meant it. You shouldn't compare her to the others, you don't have to and I'm not demading that. My point was and still is and always will be the fact that just because those photos of Stefania are here to remind us forever that she once posed to the cameraa looking like that, means now that every single time from now on when I see a photo of Stefania with makeup, I should think again and remember what she looked like without makeup and think "well, that's how she truly looks like". And then I would go on to say "Beautiful makeup" instead of "Beautiful Stefania"

Thank you. Peace out :-535553-:

[Tidus]

when did we start a discussion on pageantry make up? :-112--: we are in Stephs thread and u quotted me back for "beautiful make up" which was a refferance to her finally using some. i kind of think we were saying the same thing-apart from what i think of her- if i highlight your make up makes women beautiful line,right?

ps: I dont know if language is an obstacle but if i dislike something "Soap Opera digest" says i answer back to them, not in "Soaps in Depth". am i right? for example.... belle used to have fights elsewhere and brought her crazyness here later(no comparison is made).....that wasnt cool. try to alter the enviroments a bit,one daily magazines issue differs from the other. cause i get the feeling u are in a defence Steph mode whenever wherever. Of course have discussions,enjoy the feel to go to the bottom of things etc etc...but omg it takes two people who discuss for the same thing and on the right date to make a discussion ....


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[Milka]

when did we start a discussion on pageantry make up? :-112--:

A couple of days ago
And it's okey. It's good to have discussion about other that just to post pictures and to say "looks good", "looks bad"
Stefania's topic, yes, but it started with Stefania coming out looking like that. It's okey, tidus

ps: I dont know if language is an obstacle but if i dislike something "Soap Opera digest" says i answer back to them, not in "Soaps in Depth". am i right? for example....

Of course, but if you read from Soaps in Dept that Hunter Tylo has yet again injected something more to her lips, it will have an affect to you if you're about to write to Soap Opera Digest and say that you hate what Hunter Tylo has done to her face Same goes here, if you read something about Stefania in some voyforum, you can come here and say "I read somewhere that...."

I'm sure everyone agrees that the general view with people is that Dayana was a deserving winner and Stefanie wasn't. It's bound to have an affect on me, but that does not mean I'm here to have a fight with people who think so. Just because two people have different opinions does not mean they are fighting the big fight. That's no what I am after. Two people with different views CAN HAVE a normal discussion about it, no matter how much they disagree :flower:

[Tidus]

when did we start a discussion on pageantry make up? :-112--:

A couple of days ago
And it's okey. It's good to have discussion about other that just to post pictures and to say "looks good", "looks bad"
Stefania's topic, yes, but it started with Stefania coming out looking like that. It's okey, tidus

ps: I dont know if language is an obstacle but if i dislike something "Soap Opera digest" says i answer back to them, not in "Soaps in Depth". am i right? for example....

Of course, but if you read from Soaps in Dept that Hunter Tylo has yet again injected something more to her lips, it will have an affect to you if you're about to write to Soap Opera Digest and say that you hate what Hunter Tylo has done to her face Same goes here, if you read something about Stefania in some voyforum, you can come here and say "I read somewhere that...."

I'm sure everyone agrees that the general view with people is that Dayana was a deserving winner and Stefanie wasn't. It's bound to have an affect on me, but that does not mean I'm here to have a fight with people who think so. Just because two people have different opinions does not mean they are fighting the big fight. That's no what I am after. Two people with different views CAN HAVE a normal discussion about it, no matter how much they disagree :flower:

Milka....first of all the make up pageantry discussion, i have the feeling lol you were on your own .... and as for Hunter,well yeah i would go like this too....on the August issue not in the middle October.I know others keep on going with blah blah blah and petitions and weird stuff but in here this is old news for the majority,it was discussed,we have accepted her and the threads go on. And bottom line why should you go like this? if the public view is like that one person behind a pc screen cannot change it.thats why i told u about waste of ur energy before.Regardless, have u ever thought this can actually backfire? i mean,the whole defence thing can go the other way around. i m pro leaving winners prove themselves if they can and change the fans views.

[Lucky]

Actually for me the last good (I mean what I really like) winner was Natalie at 2005. But I don´t want to hold a discussion about who was and who wasn´t deserved winner of the Universe. Everything is a question of a taste and a beauty especially. We have to (or we should) respect the winners as they are coming (sometimes me personally have a big problems with it! )
No other discussion needed

[Sabiondo]

Actually for me the last good (I mean what I really like) winner was Natalie at 2005. But I don´t want to hold a discussion about who was and who wasn´t deserved winner of the Universe. Everything is a question of a taste and a beauty especially. We have to (or we should) respect the winners as they are coming (sometimes me personally have a big problems with it! )
No other discussion needed

Agree...¡¡¡¡¡ let see in 2010............... :--1002--:

[Tidus]

Actually for me the last good (I mean what I really like) winner was Natalie at 2005. But I don´t want to hold a discussion about who was and who wasn´t deserved winner of the Universe. Everything is a question of a taste and a beauty especially. We have to (or we should) respect the winners as they are coming (sometimes me personally have a big problems with it! )
No other discussion needed

Agree...¡¡¡¡¡ let see in 2010............... :--1002--:

THE FUNNY PART IS THAT ACTUALLY ME AND MILKA AGREE ON HER WINNING....ITS HILLARIOUS...

[Milka]

People seriously, it's clear none of you understand my point. I'm not going on with blaah blaah and it's not a matter of respect, Lucky.
Whoever wins, wins. That's it. Dayana won, fine. Riyo won, fine. Zuleyka won, fine... ect. ect,

But there has been a lot of talk about how this year the right delegate did not win. And yes, in this forum also.
I don't have to name any names, but weeks after Stefanias win there were still people here who did not like her and SAID IT too and some said it with not so nice words. So why turn my defending Stefania into something negative. Why point out to ME that "no need to defend her, people can have diffenrent opinions" So it's okey for some to say:
"ugh, she's SO DOES NOT deserve to be a winner"
"She should have not won"
"I can't believe she won"
"This was so rigged"
"I was fixed"

But the minute I come in between and say something good about her in defence, I'm the one with the problem, since I keep on defending her. :-gtwtg--: This is what I don't get?!

Take it as a refeshing thing that someone here actually likes her as much as I do!
Thank you. And grouphug once again :-535553-:

I respect each and everyone of you here just as much

[Cyly]

Beautiful Stefania

beautiful make up

[Milka]

Since u are a huge fan of stephs i expect from u to update this thread regularly with pleasure

Your wish is my command. More pics from Indonesia...



Though I like the original crown more, it's great to see that this copy is also a crown. Unlike that terrible Mikimoto copy that looked
like a hat fallen down

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