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No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
Del Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:32 pm
It's worth to check the Miss Universe homepage for updates from time to time. Today I noticed that both Albania and Kosovo are OUT of the list of participating countries. Any ideas why???
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
colombianchilean Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:59 pm
I noticed that too 
Is it because its in Russia this year?
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
scotty2hotty Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:19 pm
Does Russia recognize the 2 countries? Perhaps there is a travel concern?
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
Canuck1986 Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:08 pm
Albania is recognized by Russia however Kosovo still isn't. I hope they will still compete.I hate seeing countries withdrawing from pageants because of politics.scotty2hotty wrote:Does Russia recognize the 2 countries? Perhaps there is a travel concern?
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
Del Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:30 pm
Good point! I hate politics in pageants!Canuck1986 wrote:Albania is recognized by Russia however Kosovo still isn't. I hope they will still compete.I hate seeing countries withdrawing from pageants because of politics.scotty2hotty wrote:Does Russia recognize the 2 countries? Perhaps there is a travel concern?
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
Slant Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:44 am
You'd be surprised how many nations do not recognize Kosovo as a sovereign state, among them Brazil, China, India, Greece, Spain, Mexico, South Africa, Israel, Philippines, Venezuela, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, and yes Russia.
Whereas most of the countries on that list simply do not recognize Kosovo, Russia is one of a few that is strongly against their independence.
Personally, I think each country has a right to recognize whomever they want but it's sad to see politics affect a beauty pageant.
I'm not sure why Albania would not compete however.
Whereas most of the countries on that list simply do not recognize Kosovo, Russia is one of a few that is strongly against their independence.
Personally, I think each country has a right to recognize whomever they want but it's sad to see politics affect a beauty pageant.
I'm not sure why Albania would not compete however.
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
Del Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:18 am
Solidarity???Slant wrote:You'd be surprised how many nations do not recognize Kosovo as a sovereign state, among them Brazil, China, India, Greece, Spain, Mexico, South Africa, Israel, Philippines, Venezuela, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, and yes Russia.
Whereas most of the countries on that list simply do not recognize Kosovo, Russia is one of a few that is strongly against their independence.
Personally, I think each country has a right to recognize whomever they want but it's sad to see politics affect a beauty pageant.
I'm not sure why Albania would not compete however.
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
kleftokotou Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:13 am
The United Nations do not recognise Kosovo either, so there must be some issues here!!!
To be honest I wish that every country could participate, not just MU but in any international event, but in this case I am happy to see two free spots in the semis for some deserving beauties! And perhaps Fadil will treat all girls equally this year!
To be honest I wish that every country could participate, not just MU but in any international event, but in this case I am happy to see two free spots in the semis for some deserving beauties! And perhaps Fadil will treat all girls equally this year!
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013???
mikrikjoe Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:39 am
So sad to hear that. However, I wish that they'll come back with a big vengeance. Hope to see them in the final two next year. 
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
kleftokotou Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:57 am
As for Fadil's choice to withdraw Albania, I think it's totally unprofessional! 
Why did he chose the two girls for ALbania in the first place and gave them false hopes? He obviously knew the problems Kosovo has, we all knew and disguising the possibility of Kosovo not taking part since Moscow was announced!
Why did he chose the two girls for ALbania in the first place and gave them false hopes? He obviously knew the problems Kosovo has, we all knew and disguising the possibility of Kosovo not taking part since Moscow was announced!
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
Emilie Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:23 am
If only people and countries could leave each other alone and let to live everyone in peace 
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
kleftokotou Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:37 am
If only....Emilie wrote:If only people and countries could leave each other alone and let to live everyone in peace
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
reyna_USA Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:54 am
It is official, Albania and Kosovo are out.
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
marievause Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:06 pm
ahhaahahah.... i liked your last sentencekleftokotou wrote:The United Nations do not recognise Kosovo either, so there must be some issues here!!!
To be honest I wish that every country could participate, not just MU but in any international event, but in this case I am happy to see two free spots in the semis for some deserving beauties! And perhaps Fadil will treat all girls equally this year!
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
Likok Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:02 pm
Yes. Then Kosovo as a country would not even exist.Emilie wrote:If only people and countries could leave each other alone and let to live everyone in peace
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
kleftokotou Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:11 pm
It's sad but I see around the Internet people accusing Russia and Russians for the fact that Albania and Kosovo not taking part in MU!
This is not about Russia, the UN and the European Union has also not recognised Kosovo, we can't accuse all of them for being racists!
There are some serious issues about Kosovo such as the human rights of the Serbian minority. I read that the Serbian minority lives in separate areas, protected by NATO peacekeepers!! Serbs constitute 95% of population in North Kosovo, whose 1,200 km2 (463 sq mi) comprise 11% of Kosovo's territory.
They should deal with these issues before accusing countries for being racists!
This is not about Russia, the UN and the European Union has also not recognised Kosovo, we can't accuse all of them for being racists!
There are some serious issues about Kosovo such as the human rights of the Serbian minority. I read that the Serbian minority lives in separate areas, protected by NATO peacekeepers!!
Serbs constitute 95% of population in North Kosovo, whose 1,200 km2 (463 sq mi) comprise 11% of Kosovo's territory. They should deal with these issues before accusing countries for being racists!
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
kleftokotou Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:21 pm
marievause wrote:ahhaahahah.... i liked your last sentencekleftokotou wrote:.....And perhaps Fadil will treat all girls equally this year!
He was awful to Ilianna back in 2011! Perhaps too scared of the competition...I really hope this year that none of his gals will take part, he will be only a photographer that do his job in the best possible way and not a national director promoting his girls!
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
Wojtek Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:55 pm
Oh Russia 
For me it's one of the worst countries to be the host of MU. Donald has to have a huge business by this hosting...
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
kleftokotou Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:07 pm
I have my issues with Russia and human rights but in this case they just follow the law! You can't travell without the passport of a recognised country, no matter who you are??Wojtek wrote:Oh Russia
I read that most of the previous miss Kosovo travelled using USA or Albanian passports (Brazil has not recognise Kosovo either)... I think they wanted to make a statement with this whole thing!
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
Esther Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:18 pm
If Miss Kosovo suddenly become Miss Universe, as Miss Universe contract will be for a year to travel around the world, a lot of missions to different countries, if many countries, including Russia and do not recognize Kosovo's independence is a very controversial issue, Trump is unlikely to wants it Â
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
kleftokotou Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:41 pm
Ιt's not just Russia, it's the majority of the countries around the world and the UN, European Union and other major global orgs! They try to present it as ''bad Rusia" does not leave a poor girl compete but there is more to it!
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
Wojtek Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:49 pm
Indonesia, Vietnam as well... but Russia was that country which protest again Kosovo's independence, Brazil, Vietnam and Indonesia not.kleftokotou wrote:I have my issues with Russia and human rights but in this case they just follow the law! You can't travell without the passport of a recognised country, no matter who you are??Wojtek wrote:Oh Russia
I read that most of the previous miss Kosovo travelled using USA or Albanian passports (Brazil has not recognise Kosovo either)... I think they wanted to make a statement with this whole thing!
Oh well, I won't miss Mirjeta and that girl from Albania.
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
Del Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:10 pm
That's the reason why Miss Kosovo can NEVER become Miss Universe... until their country will be recognized.Esther wrote:If Miss Kosovo suddenly become Miss Universe, as Miss Universe contract will be for a year to travel around the world, a lot of missions to different countries, if many countries, including Russia and do not recognize Kosovo's independence is a very controversial issue, Trump is unlikely to wants it
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
kleftokotou Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:10 pm
Ι wonder if the girls of the Serbian minority can participate at miss Kosovo???
Likok perhaps can help us?
Likok perhaps can help us?
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Re: No Albania and Kosovo at Miss Universe 2013
Del Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:11 pm
Good point... Difficult to imagine, though.kleftokotou wrote:Ι wonder if the girls of the Serbian minority can participate at miss Kosovo???
Likok perhaps can help us?
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