Eurovision Song Contest 2016 - UKRAINE WINS !!!

Wojtek wrote:

kleftokotou wrote:
1) Poland

I have exact same reaction

kleftokotou wrote:

Wojtek wrote:

kleftokotou wrote:
1) Poland

People are waiting for Edyta dear....

I'm afraid it won't happen, Dear Margaret 'do- do- do- down whoa whoa' will win in Poland... and then my ears will bleed in May during Polish performance...

NiKa wrote:

kleftokotou wrote:

Wojtek wrote:

kleftokotou wrote:
1) Poland

People are waiting for Edyta dear....

I'm afraid it won't happen, Dear Margaret 'do- do- do- down whoa whoa' will win in Poland... and then my ears will bleed in May during Polish performance...

Wojtek wrote:

NiKa wrote:

kleftokotou wrote:

Wojtek wrote:

kleftokotou wrote:
1) Poland

People are waiting for Edyta dear....

I'm afraid it won't happen, Dear Margaret 'do- do- do- down whoa whoa' will win in Poland... and then my ears will bleed in May during Polish performance...

That was a disaster! But be fair dear, you can easily hear that something went wrong with the sound and she is sick!

If on saturday her performance will not be better then I don't think that polish ppl will choose her.

I don't think the problem was the sound here, but her weak voice You need to have a strong vocal to sing along with the live instrumental music, which Gosia simply doesn't have. If you compare her performance with Natalia's or Michał's one in ŚSK you will see the difference   But ok, I didn't know that she's still sick (2 weeks it's quite long, she should go to the doctor), so I'll give her one more chance and wait for Saturday to confirm or not my impression

NiKa wrote:

Wojtek wrote:

NiKa wrote:

kleftokotou wrote:

Wojtek wrote:

kleftokotou wrote:
1) Poland

People are waiting for Edyta dear....

I'm afraid it won't happen, Dear Margaret 'do- do- do- down whoa whoa' will win in Poland... and then my ears will bleed in May during Polish performance...

That was a disaster! But be fair dear, you can easily hear that something went wrong with the sound and she is sick!

If on saturday her performance will not be better then I don't think that polish ppl will choose her.

I don't think the problem was the sound here, but her weak voice You need to have a strong vocal to sing along with the live instrumental music, which Gosia simply doesn't have. If tou compare her performance with Natalia's or Michał's one in ŚŚK you will see the difference   But ok, I didn't know that she's still sick (2 weeks it's quite long, she should go to the doctor), so I'll give her one more chance and wait for Saturday to confirm or not my impression

I heard her many times and she's not so weak vocally. She's absolutely nowhere compare to Edyta's vocal but I know that she can do much better than this.

Yeah, let's wait for saturday. I believe that polish ppl are not deaf and will choose the best performance

Wojtek wrote:

NiKa wrote:

Wojtek wrote:

NiKa wrote:

kleftokotou wrote:

Wojtek wrote:

kleftokotou wrote:
1) Poland

People are waiting for Edyta dear....

I'm afraid it won't happen, Dear Margaret 'do- do- do- down whoa whoa' will win in Poland... and then my ears will bleed in May during Polish performance...

That was a disaster! But be fair dear, you can easily hear that something went wrong with the sound and she is sick!

If on saturday her performance will not be better then I don't think that polish ppl will choose her.

I don't think the problem was the sound here, but her weak voice You need to have a strong vocal to sing along with the live instrumental music, which Gosia simply doesn't have. If tou compare her performance with Natalia's or Michał's one in ŚŚK you will see the difference   But ok, I didn't know that she's still sick (2 weeks it's quite long, she should go to the doctor), so I'll give her one more chance and wait for Saturday to confirm or not my impression

I heard her many times and she's not so weak vocally. She's absolutely nowhere compare to Edyta's vocal but I know that she can do much better than this.

Yeah, let's wait for saturday. I believe that polish ppl are not deaf and will choose the best performance

She's not very weak, but she's not good either imho I like her acoustic performances in studio, but her singing on big stages hasn't impressed me yet. CMD is really hard to sing live and I guess Gosia wasn't really aware of it... I'm afraid she won't 'lift' this song...but we'll see  

I hope you're right

Wojtek wrote:Good 4 you. Too bad that not many ESC fans share your opinion.

Some opinions are even too cruel:
"LOL Finland, you're hopeless. again - you're gonna fail because of your terrible taste in music."
"There's still hope! Saara might get there if sanhdja gets hit by a bus or something. Fingers crossed!"
"She is the real winner! Sorry for that, but I hope that Sandhja will be disqualified..."
"REALLY FINNISH JURY WHAT THE F**CK????? UMK SHOULD BE 100% TELEVOTE."
"Finland is not likely in the top then this year . It is difficult to understand how the winner was chosen among so many more extraordinary choices."

Milka wrote:.....

The fans, at the end of the day, are a minority during televote.
The majority of the voters are people who don't give a rip what the fans think.
........
When I remember you praising the fact that Eurovision uses professional juries too, cause they were the reason why Finland didn't make the final last year. (With just televote Finland would have made the Big Final)

Milka wrote:

Wojtek wrote:Good 4 you. Too bad that not many ESC fans share your opinion.

Some opinions are even too cruel:
"LOL Finland, you're hopeless. again - you're gonna fail because of your terrible taste in music."
"There's still hope! Saara might get there if sanhdja gets hit by a bus or something. Fingers crossed!"
"She is the real winner! Sorry for that, but I hope that Sandhja will be disqualified..."
"REALLY FINNISH JURY WHAT THE F**CK????? UMK SHOULD BE 100% TELEVOTE."
"Finland is not likely in the top then this year . It is difficult to understand how the winner was chosen among so many more extraordinary choices."

I don't care what the fans think. I care what I think
And I have read the comments from youtube and forums, there is support too.

The fans, at the end of the day, are a minority during televote.
The majority of the voters are people who don't give a rip what the fans think.

And how come you now seem to be in the opinion that televoters alone should have decided the winner of UMK.
When I remember you praising the fact that Eurovision uses professional juries too, cause they were the reason why Finland didn't make the final last year. (With just televote Finland would have made the Big Final)

kleftokotou wrote:

Milka wrote:.....

The fans, at the end of the day, are a minority during televote.
The majority of the voters are people who don't give a rip what the fans think.
........
When I remember you praising the fact that Eurovision uses professional juries too, cause they were the reason why Finland didn't make the final last year. (With just televote Finland would have made the Big Final)

True!
When I read professional juries  I can't  honestly!
In 2011 Lukas was 3rd(or 5th ) at the televoting and end up 7th and I say ...OK!
The same year Denmark was 18th at the televoting and end it up ...5th  how is that even possible!
Last year they practically throw Czech out of the final so that Az can be in... how those so called pros chose Az over the Czech is a huge mystery to me!
And don't get me started on Australia participating again and also trying to get China to participate in the following years  Where is EURO in all of this?

Yeah, but if there would be just televoting, one of my fav Norway would be 17th last year, in 2014 Spain 15th, Norway 16th, Finland 17th and my beloved Slovenia in 2011 would be 22nd!

Oh yes, also the worst entry ever Finland last year would be in the final!  

It was epic that Greece hasn't receive 12 points last year as well

There are good and bad sides but overall I'm still for 50/50.

I agree about Australia and China. Australia was ok for once as a guest, but now it's too much.

Didana Acivakuk wrote:

FRENCH ENTRY

http://wiwibloggs.com/2016/02/29/france-amir-haddad-sing-jai-cherche-eurovision-2016/129399/

As expected. Finally France will be higher than the bottom 5

NiKa wrote:.....

Wojtek wrote:Because they were right this time! It's UMK, not ESC.
As for ESC I'm still against 100% televoting. Absolutely! Those were the worst years for ESC when just televoters could decide. One huge neighbours voting and nothing else.

Milka wrote:

Wojtek wrote:Because they were right this time! It's UMK, not ESC.
As for ESC I'm still against 100% televoting. Absolutely! Those were the worst years for ESC when just televoters could decide. One huge neighbours voting and nothing else.

Oh please!!!!
That is still happening in Eurovision. It hasn't changed that much.

Plus now there is the political aspect also, where Azerbaijan for years paid Malta to give them the highest points. Bribes, bribes, bribes.
How is that okey?

kleftokotou wrote:I think that neighbours' and blocks voting has not changed at all!  

No? So why you didn't receive 12 points from Cyprus last year for example?

Just compare the results since 2009 and before.

Polish terrible song from last year would have been 15th because of votes from polish big diaspora. Is it fair? Nope.


You have to be grateful to Poland  
In response to some broadcasters' continued complaints about politically charged, neighbourly and diaspora voting, the EBU evaluated the voting procedure used in the contest, with the possibility of a change in the voting system for 2009. Contest organisers sent a questionnaire regarding the voting system to participating broadcasters, and a reference group incorporated the responses into their suggestions for next year's format.[15] Telewizja Polska (TVP), the Polish broadcaster, suggested that an international jury similar to the one used in the 2008 Eurovision Dance Contest be introduced in the Eurovision Song Contest to lessen the impact of neighbourly voting and place more emphasis on the artistic value of the song.[16] A jury would lead to less political and diaspora voting as the jury members, mandated to be music industry experts, would also have a say in addition to "random members of the public"

As for the new voting, I don't think I'm gonna like it too  


I will never understand what was so great about "Molitva"   Absolutely not my cup of tea.

Wojtek wrote:

[font=Trebuchet MS]No? So why you didn't receive 12 points from Cyprus last year for example?

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I have THE gossip for that!  Well you'll laugh for sure!
Maria Helena won the Cypriot televoting last year, she is Cypriot and she won the 1st edition of the Greek "Voice" so is a local hero........ BUT the presintent of the jury, a lady... had a personal issue with Maria Helena! Some say that it was about a man    others about an old co-operation of the 2 of them! A cat-fight was the reason!  
And as for the diaspora votes, I don't see why the votes of immigrants should be demonized and considered bad, you can vote who ever you want , no matter where you are... for me voting for a friend (like the aussie judge last year who was a close friend of a co-writer and a back vocalist for the Russian entry) or accepting bribery is the problem! See the votes of Malta recently...

kleftokotou wrote:

Wojtek wrote:

[font=Trebuchet MS]No? So why you didn't receive 12 points from Cyprus last year for example?

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I have THE gossip for that!  Well you'll laugh for sure!
Maria Helena won the Cypriot televoting last year, she is Cypriot and she won the 1st edition of the Greek "Voice" so is a local hero........ BUT the presintent of the jury, a lady... had a personal issue with Maria Helena! Some say that it was about a man    others about an old co-operation of the 2 of them!  A cat-fight was the reason!             
 

kleftokotou wrote:As for the Polish song last year...it's not just the diaspora votes! The song touched people for many reasons! As you get older you'll find that you will want more than just a dance happy song! It's a matter of taste!

A dance happy song was enough for me when I was 10 C'mon!

The main goal was to touch people by her performance, but the song was a disaster. Very dull, low production. I can't be touched by something like this. No surprise that it was last in jury voting.

You have no idea how big is polish diaspora and how many of them voted!

Wojtek wrote:...

You have no idea how big is polish diaspora ....