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Post  JEANP Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:29 pm

All i the tille .

Mine :

would love to visit:

All other countries from europe but specially:

Poland (i love this country since i'm a litlle child maybe i have polish origin. One of the first country that i will visit. The peopel look nice, they have a beautifull culture and gastronyma and a wonderfull language.)

Russia I don't really like the government not a dictature but not totally a republic but i love the language, the culture, te people which i would love to visitand see.

Netherlands: Open-minded people, they looks likes nice and i like the countride and how looks the city.

Albania/Kosovo: for see gorgeous albanian ladies and know a a bit more of the culture of this countries.

Asia:

Japan: because i love this country since my first year as a teenager. i grew up with anime . i often litstend music during my teenager times. i love the mode who is at the same time a bit crazy but beautifull. Wonderfull Language. here in France many teenager love this country love this country. We are after Japan the country we buy the most of manga Very Happy

israel: i don't why i want dream to visit Tel Aviv.

lebanon. Just the culture it's seems to be an interesting culture with good people.

Phillipines; a country wich i learn to aprecciate with beauty pageant

Cambodia/thailand/laos/Vietnam i don't why it's like that.

America:

all countries especially
all the caribbean : i love the beach there very exotic the dream.

the french otherseas territories of St pierre and Miquelon and French Guyana

Mexico: the first country that i want to visit; interesting and wonderfull culture and marevellous people as the french tourists said. and for visit a wonderfull friend meet in the internet.

Chile: Also interesting culture; i would like the visit the ghost city of Humberstone.

Venezuela : for see the beautiful woman.

brazil: for the samba, the wonderful beach and learn more of this great culture.

Argentina: the same and the tango.

USA: love how are the cities and it's like that i would love to visit this country;

Africa:

Morocco: beautifull landscape and it's an interresting place.

Mauritius : i like also this ocutnry since i'm a little child i always see this island like a paradise island.

Oceania:

new caledonia and the french otherseas territories of wally and futuna, tahiti and new caledonia.
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Post  Wojtek Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:07 pm

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Poland (i love this country since i'm a litlle child maybe i have polish origin. One of the first country that i will visit. The peopel look nice, they have a beautifull culture and gastronyma and a wonderfull language.)

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Post  Wojtek Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:42 pm

Since my childhood I was very interested in travelling. I loved to read about countries of the world, look at pics with beautiful views etc.

The only country which I visited in my life was Germany, I was twice there and spent wonderful time but my appetite to visit foreign countries is much bigger.

Greece is the country which I would like to visit the most. I looked at plenty of pics with Greek Islands and read many about Greek culture and I fell in love with this country. Except that my uncle is Greek origin.

2nd is USA. I can't die until I will not visit New York City Wink Poland is a big fan of USA (Polish diaspora is the biggest there) and I'm a big fan too.

Follow Spain, Italy, UK, Australia, India, Philippines, Polish neighbours and many other
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Post  dakkudaddy Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:48 pm

THERE ARE MANY COUNTRIES WHICH I WANT TO VISIT SOUTH AFRICA BEING THE FIRST FOLLOWED BY NEWZELAND ,RUSSIA, CHINA,QATAR,FRANCE, GREECE,BRAZIL PERU ,CANADA& ofcourseMEXICO Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz
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Post  scotty2hotty Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:48 am

First I must visit the lands of my family: Germany and Italy.

I would visit Germany and want to go during Oktoberfest. Also want to see all the sights and go to the Hofbrauhaus. In Italy, I would visit the big cities and then go to the country. I would also try to find the village my ancestors came from.

Other countries I want to visit include Czech Republic, Croatia, Greece, Portugal, Spain, Poland, France, Norway, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, and Scotland.

In the Caribbean, I would love to see Costa Rica, St. Thomas, Bahamas, and The Virgin Islands.

Also want to visit Philippines since my Dad spent time there in the Navy as well as Japan and Thailand.

Also Australia so I could take Jennifer Hawkins away from Jake Wall!
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Post  bonner Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:50 am

JEANP wrote:
Phillipines; a country wich i learn to aprecciate with beauty pageant

Wojtek wrote:
Philippines
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scotty2hotty wrote:

Also want to visit Philippines since my Dad spent time there in the Navy as well as Japan and Thailand.


Im Glad you love to Visit the Philippines.. (yes we have many tourist spot here outside the city) the city (Metro Manila) is not really good, i mean its very prone from crime, im even afraid to stay there for long..., too much polution, crowded (maybe im here in the valley whom i grew up with fresh air and simple life)
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Post  bonner Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:56 am

Every Filipino...dream to visit or to live in America (US) (American Dream)

So US is the first place i want to visit or to stay for good (California or New York).

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next is Canada (my family dream to live here in the future Razz )





I want also to travel around Europe...the one whom i just need to ride a train to visit other country...


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Post  JEANP Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:59 am

Wojtek wrote:
JEANP wrote:
Poland (i love this country since i'm
a litlle child maybe i have polish origin. One of the first country
that i will visit. The peopel look nice, they have a beautifull culture
and gastronyma and a wonderfull language.)

cheers

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2nd is USA. I can't die until I will not visit New York City Wink Poland is a big fan of USA (Polish diaspora is the biggest there) and I'm a big fan too.
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We are also a big diaspora in France Smile
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Post  Wojtek Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:27 pm

JEANP wrote:
Wojtek wrote:

2nd is USA. I can't die until I will not visit New York City Wink Poland is a big fan of USA (Polish diaspora is the biggest there) and I'm a big fan too.
Smile

We are also a big diaspora in France Smile

That's true, more than a million -107eg-- I was very near France when I lived in Germany, hope to visit France soon Smile
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Post  kleftokotou Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:29 pm

Ireland, Spain, Poland, Serbia, France,... in general I would like to see the entire European Continent!
Also Armenia,India, Nepal and China!

I would not like to go to US but I would like to see Latin America!
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Post  Likok Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:48 pm

I was already in Greece, and I love it. I miss Corf Crying or Very sad , and I would like to see Athens!
I was in Italy, and i like it!
Next stop is Turkey
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Post  kleftokotou Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:58 pm

Likok wrote:I was already in Greece, and I love it. I miss Corf Crying or Very sad , and I would like to see Athens!
I was in Italy, and i like it!......
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You were in Corfu?? When?
You should definately see Athens and Olympia and Vergina and Crete and Santorini and ..... there is no end to this list!!

I also love Italy, especially Tuscany!
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Post  Likok Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:15 pm

kleftokotou wrote:
Likok wrote:I was already in Greece, and I love it. I miss Corf Crying or Very sad , and I would like to see Athens!
I was in Italy, and i like it!......
Very Happy
You were in Corfu?? When?
You should definately see Athens and Olympia and Vergina and Crete and Santorini and ..... there is no end to this list!!

I also love Italy, especially Tuscany!

I was in Kirkira, last year. sunny
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Post  kleftokotou Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:21 pm

Likok wrote:
I was in Kirkira, last year. sunny
I live in Corfu since last year!!!! sunny


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Post  Likok Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:30 pm

kleftokotou wrote:
Likok wrote:
I also love Italy, especially Tuscany! [/i]

I was in Kirkira, last year. sunny
I live in Corfu since last year!!!! :sunny

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Post  kleftokotou Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:49 pm

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I hope you tasted the local organic beer!! Beer
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Post  JEANP Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:52 pm

Likok wrote:I was already in Greece, and I love it. I miss Corf Crying or Very sad , and I would like to see Athens!
I was in Italy, and i like it!
Next stop is Turkey
Very Happy

i forget greece andcyprus too.

i love the greek isoty and languege and citoes and landscape looks very beautifull.
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Post  kleftokotou Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:53 pm

For those interested in Corfu (Kέρκυρα in Greek) you can visit http://www.digitalcorfu.com/default.aspx?lang=en
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Post  kleftokotou Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:56 pm

JEANP wrote:....
i forget greece andcyprus too.

i love the greek isoty and languege and citoes and landscape looks very beautifull.
Greeks love French language and films, too!! You should definatelly visit Corfu !!
I also want to see Cyprus,too!
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Post  reyna_USA Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:45 pm

bonner wrote:Every Filipino...dream to visit or to live in America (US) (American Dream)

So US is the first place i want to visit or to stay for good (California or New York).

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next is Canada (my family dream to live here in the future Razz )





I want also to travel around Europe...the one whom i just need to ride a train to visit other country...


From America you will only visit the US and Canada?
And the rest, specially Puerto Rico?
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Post  Likok Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:40 pm

kleftokotou wrote:
Likok wrote:
Lucky you Very Happy We may also encounter?
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I hope you tasted the local organic beer!! Beer
I tried Ouzo, and ate a lot of Giros Very Happy
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Post  JEANP Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:58 pm

kleftokotou wrote:
JEANP wrote:....
i forget greece andcyprus too.

i love the greek isoty and languege and citoes and landscape looks very beautifull.
Greeks love French language and films, too!! You should definatelly visit Corfu !!
I also want to see Cyprus,too!

okay i will and athens too. Very Happy

@Wojtek when you will if you wan i will can be your translator if you want Wink you should visit alsace, nord-pas-de-calais and midi pyrénées you have great polish diasporas here kiss
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@Wojtek when you will if you wan i will can be your translator if you want Wink you should visit alsace, nord-pas-de-calais and midi pyrénées you have great polish diasporas here kiss

It would be great Smile I'd like to see also French Riviera I love you
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Post  kleftokotou Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:51 am

JEANP wrote:.........you should visit alsace, nord-pas-de-calais and midi pyrénées ......
I have been in Strasbourg in 1992!! I really liked it, especially the old part of the town, it was called Petite France (I think)! Beautiful place, a must see!
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I tried Ouzo, and ate a lot of Giros Very Happy
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